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May 17, 2010

Arizona Immigration

   I love hearing these boycotts happening all over the place against Arizona's new immigration laws.  People have the right to do what they want, and personally, I'll probably support an Arizona business if given the option.  Most people are listening to complete rhetoric and haven't bothered to look at what's actually in the bill.  Here's an sample:

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:


(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
  
   As a side note, that is actually the immigration law from the state of  California.  It sounds strikingly similar to what Arizona just passed.  For clarification, the police cannot simply stop you because of the color of your skin.  If they have already stopped you for some violation of the law, they can question your status if something doesn't seem right.  If you have a government issued idea from almost any state, the case is settled and your status isn't even a question.  Plus, federal law already requires legal immigrants to carry documentation at all times - this isn't something new.  Just feels like people are making a big deal out of nothing.  If the feds were actually enforcing our laws, Arizona wouldn't have needed this. 

4 comments:

Whitney said...

I agree. As much as I hate those circulation forward, I got one about immigration that made a good point. It basically stated that everywhere else in the world, if you are found to be an illegal in another country, guess where you go? Jail! But here, if you are illegal, you get the rights to healthcare, a driver's license, etc. Kinda backwards to me.

Danny said...

Hey Jon. Let me start off by saying I love you but we disagree on this issue. Please don't take anything I'mg going to say as anger directed at you and I will be mindful not to direct anger at you. :0)

This new law in AZ is enforcement only. The immigration debate is huge with fault and responsibility landing on both sides and needs to be addressed and corrected on many levels so lets not start the conversation by grabbing the first undocumented immigrant you come across and releasing years of pent up frustrations over a system that is deeply broken and needs to be corrected by enacting "justice" by stopping them, arresting them and then dumping them off on the other side of the border. As is and also historically the majority of immigration laws protect employers who attract undocumented workers and treat them inhumanely.

This law gives the police greater incentive to pull over people they assume to be undocumented. In my experience, my friends have been pulled over for minor infractions such as: a missing light over their license plate; driving under the speed limit; driving with tinted windows; driving with something dangling from the rear-view mirror.
It's amazing what you will find when you are looking for something.

I want to believe that all police officers everywhere are altruistic and never abuse their authority and are impartial and unbiased when it comes to enforcing laws but the truth is they are human just like the rest of us and they make decisions based upon their feelings and what they perceive to be a threat.

Dude this is getting way long, sorry. AND don't get me started on how this is the chickens coming home to roost.

Love you bro,

This conversation is best had over coffee with hours to spend.

Jon Kelly said...

Danny, I know you're a great guy and I love you and value our friendship. Thanks for your honesty. I know this is a pretty touchy subject all around. I just feel like too much issue is being made about all this. Cities in California are going on and on about how wrong the law is, but the section of their own law says the exact same thing! I just feel like it's all blown out of proportion.

I just can't picture all the police in AZ (many of whom are also Hispanic) and are already dealing with massive crime rates will spend their time just trying to stop people over immigration. The law itself even provides the ability for the officer and/or department to be sued if they are questioning people without cause. The whole idea of "asking for papers" seems silly to me. If I get pulled over for running a red light, I have to show ID. If I want to buy a beer, I have to show ID. A government issued ID settles the immigration matter. Even if you get pulled over for a missing light (which Sandra did two weeks ago), you show your ID and the immigration question is null.

I definitely agree that reform is needed in this country. I hate that it came to AZ passing a law like this to try and get the feds to do their job. I think the laws for employers need to be addressed too, and we need pathways for people to become citizens. I have personally known several people who became US citizens through legal means (including Sandra's grandmother) and I support that. I think they just got to a point where they wanted to force the federal hand. I hope that it doesn't come to people being pulled over for stupid reasons because of the color of their skin...but if it does, I hope the officer loses their job and gets their pants sued right off them.

My whole thing just comes to this being blown out of proportion. This state law is almost identical to federal law. It isn't any more cumbersome than what the feds already require...Legal immigrants are already federally required to carry documentation at all times. Is this law the best option? Most definitely it isn't. But I hope that we can find a good solution now that the issue is pushed to the forefront.

Love you man. I'd love to have coffee sometime. Maybe we can set up a trip to City Park in Fort Collins or something sometime.

Jon Kelly said...

Danny, I know you're a great guy and I love you and value our friendship. Thanks for your honesty. I know this is a pretty touchy subject all around. I just feel like too much issue is being made about all this. Cities in California are going on and on about how wrong the law is, but the section of their own law says the exact same thing! I just feel like it's all blown out of proportion.

I just can't picture all the police in AZ (many of whom are also Hispanic) and are already dealing with massive crime rates will spend their time just trying to stop people over immigration. The law itself even provides the ability for the officer and/or department to be sued if they are questioning people without cause. The whole idea of "asking for papers" seems silly to me. If I get pulled over for running a red light, I have to show ID. If I want to buy a beer, I have to show ID. A government issued ID settles the immigration matter. Even if you get pulled over for a missing light (which Sandra did two weeks ago), you show your ID and the immigration question is null.

I definitely agree that reform is needed in this country. I hate that it came to AZ passing a law like this to try and get the feds to do their job. I think the laws for employers need to be addressed too, and we need pathways for people to become citizens. I have personally known several people who became US citizens through legal means (including Sandra's grandmother) and I support that. I think they just got to a point where they wanted to force the federal hand. I hope that it doesn't come to people being pulled over for stupid reasons because of the color of their skin...but if it does, I hope the officer loses their job and gets their pants sued right off them.

My whole thing just comes to this being blown out of proportion. This state law is almost identical to federal law. It isn't any more cumbersome than what the feds already require...Legal immigrants are already federally required to carry documentation at all times. Is this law the best option? Most definitely it isn't. But I hope that we can find a good solution now that the issue is pushed to the forefront.

Love you man. I'd love to have coffee sometime. Maybe we can set up a trip to City Park in Fort Collins or something sometime.